Came across an article on The Hindutimes: http://www.thehindu.com/todays-paper/tp-opinion/article2380789.ece#.TlJ3aKOaibt.facebook
Nice points, can be taken into considerations. but few things still remains as is:
1. Good points about the donations that they are getting from. I think they should make it available on their websites with audits details and Incometax details.
2. Yes, even I get fadeup of news channel when they dont have anything else to show n their so called "News Channel" That too showing things 1000s of times again and again. But not showing/doing real intellectual debate/discussion on the same. Even if they do so, that are time bounded, hardly 30 mins. It should be given enough of time to discuss upon. Its not that Janlokpal bill drafted by Anna and team is THe best, might be some decisions by Govt. bill are good for some reasons. But then they should be discussed and clarified at the public level. Govt. should come-out and give a detailed explanation of why they feel threat on some demands of the Janlokpal bill which might spoil the public interest, and so that can not be accommodated.
3. She is claiming that some things in that Demands are unlike Gandhians. We should not forget that gandhi also never asked to get half independance. He also asked for "Sampurna Swaraaj,...Complete Independance!!" from Britishers. To Britisher, at that time, this demand was also a huge demand. Something they never wanted to grant so easily. So we should not compare that way atleast while saying that current demand is not Gadhian.
4. Agreed that this movement has got way more traction compared to other movements. But again, can't we feel that this has been kind better organized in a way? And that this touches the very root cause of the problem that every individual is facing? "CORRUTPTION" ? May be this is oone more reason why it got so much of attraction, as its more generic in nature. Name any issue that we face in our daily life,, most of them drilled down, and we feel that its some sort of corruption at some level which caused the issue. Call it in-efficient PDS system, improper Food storage system, bad shape of Public schools, Hospitals etc.
5.Yes, agree with point that they asking to create a Huge (Draconian???) thing in parallel in a way when looked from narrow perspective. But its not always true. There are so many reasons why we need a powerful mechanism function operating. One might get those reasons if see through (all) following videos : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2CHcKlIsvAQ&feature=share
Biggest problem we have is that, we dont have big and clean Nationalized party/ies with us now whom we can elect. BJP and Congress are the only two truely speaking big and nationalized parties with us. We have tried both of them in last 60 yrs.
Its not that we have not done any progress. We definitely have. But again look around and look how concentrated the growths are at few places only. Our villages are still far from even basic needs fulfillment. Even post 60KM radius of Mumbai, Capital Hub of Country not having proper Light, Water supply, Roads!! I have been to the places (hardly 15 KM away from Virar) and experienced it. Then only I am writing this. I am not saying the govt. is the only one responsible for this mess. But They are def. one of the reasons for the mess. Its the duty of leader to guide people. Be a role model.
6. When said that this Janlokpal will create a huge and powerful system, yes there is always a risk!! But I want to ask all, do they think "Autocracy is Bad and democracy is Good?" I dont believe so. Everything is good, if the power is in right hand. Even Autocracy can be better than Democracy at that time. Even in democracy, we eventually endup giving power to few people whom we elect. What if they go mad after getting power in their hand ? Risk remains the same!! How can Shibu shoren reach to a level where he is when there are so many allegations on him?
Our democracy giving us right to elect ... but are we getting right candidates to elect from??
7. We have already tried giving power to them, it has not worked all well, and we know that. Why not we try this if one still feel that this can be a monster.We anyways are not in shade of angel right now!!
8. What does she meant by "Contrary to Gandhiji's ideas about the decentralisation of power". If that was so, why we had PM that time. Why we were trying to reunite the small statets like Hydrabad, Kashmir etc? If there is a single country, there also has to be a atelast some single source of power at some level to bring in all power across. Even in Jan lokpal, there is something called as "Lokayukta" and "Lokpal", Lokayukta is at center level and Lokpal at the state level.
Came across one more article today. Worth reading it. It gives many answers as well asked by dear Arundhati. : http://clearvisor.wordpress.com/2011/08/23/why-i--rather-be-anna-than-arundhati/
So not sure why we calling it as a single huge draconian? Isn't it relatively safer when its says that all evidences will be available to public once the charge of misconduct is proved ? Or we love our system where Bhopal gas tragedy case never ends, Bofors scam get a clean chit, those who are accused can at max spend few years (if atall sent to jail) and then enjoy rest of the life as the loss to public money is never recovered from them!!
Nice points, can be taken into considerations. but few things still remains as is:
1. Good points about the donations that they are getting from. I think they should make it available on their websites with audits details and Incometax details.
2. Yes, even I get fadeup of news channel when they dont have anything else to show n their so called "News Channel" That too showing things 1000s of times again and again. But not showing/doing real intellectual debate/discussion on the same. Even if they do so, that are time bounded, hardly 30 mins. It should be given enough of time to discuss upon. Its not that Janlokpal bill drafted by Anna and team is THe best, might be some decisions by Govt. bill are good for some reasons. But then they should be discussed and clarified at the public level. Govt. should come-out and give a detailed explanation of why they feel threat on some demands of the Janlokpal bill which might spoil the public interest, and so that can not be accommodated.
3. She is claiming that some things in that Demands are unlike Gandhians. We should not forget that gandhi also never asked to get half independance. He also asked for "Sampurna Swaraaj,...Complete Independance!!" from Britishers. To Britisher, at that time, this demand was also a huge demand. Something they never wanted to grant so easily. So we should not compare that way atleast while saying that current demand is not Gadhian.
4. Agreed that this movement has got way more traction compared to other movements. But again, can't we feel that this has been kind better organized in a way? And that this touches the very root cause of the problem that every individual is facing? "CORRUTPTION" ? May be this is oone more reason why it got so much of attraction, as its more generic in nature. Name any issue that we face in our daily life,, most of them drilled down, and we feel that its some sort of corruption at some level which caused the issue. Call it in-efficient PDS system, improper Food storage system, bad shape of Public schools, Hospitals etc.
5.Yes, agree with point that they asking to create a Huge (Draconian???) thing in parallel in a way when looked from narrow perspective. But its not always true. There are so many reasons why we need a powerful mechanism function operating. One might get those reasons if see through (all) following videos : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2CHcKlIsvAQ&feature=share
Biggest problem we have is that, we dont have big and clean Nationalized party/ies with us now whom we can elect. BJP and Congress are the only two truely speaking big and nationalized parties with us. We have tried both of them in last 60 yrs.
Its not that we have not done any progress. We definitely have. But again look around and look how concentrated the growths are at few places only. Our villages are still far from even basic needs fulfillment. Even post 60KM radius of Mumbai, Capital Hub of Country not having proper Light, Water supply, Roads!! I have been to the places (hardly 15 KM away from Virar) and experienced it. Then only I am writing this. I am not saying the govt. is the only one responsible for this mess. But They are def. one of the reasons for the mess. Its the duty of leader to guide people. Be a role model.
6. When said that this Janlokpal will create a huge and powerful system, yes there is always a risk!! But I want to ask all, do they think "Autocracy is Bad and democracy is Good?" I dont believe so. Everything is good, if the power is in right hand. Even Autocracy can be better than Democracy at that time. Even in democracy, we eventually endup giving power to few people whom we elect. What if they go mad after getting power in their hand ? Risk remains the same!! How can Shibu shoren reach to a level where he is when there are so many allegations on him?
Our democracy giving us right to elect ... but are we getting right candidates to elect from??
7. We have already tried giving power to them, it has not worked all well, and we know that. Why not we try this if one still feel that this can be a monster.We anyways are not in shade of angel right now!!
8. What does she meant by "Contrary to Gandhiji's ideas about the decentralisation of power". If that was so, why we had PM that time. Why we were trying to reunite the small statets like Hydrabad, Kashmir etc? If there is a single country, there also has to be a atelast some single source of power at some level to bring in all power across. Even in Jan lokpal, there is something called as "Lokayukta" and "Lokpal", Lokayukta is at center level and Lokpal at the state level.
Came across one more article today. Worth reading it. It gives many answers as well asked by dear Arundhati. : http://clearvisor.wordpress.com/2011/08/23/why-i--rather-be-anna-than-arundhati/
So not sure why we calling it as a single huge draconian? Isn't it relatively safer when its says that all evidences will be available to public once the charge of misconduct is proved ? Or we love our system where Bhopal gas tragedy case never ends, Bofors scam get a clean chit, those who are accused can at max spend few years (if atall sent to jail) and then enjoy rest of the life as the loss to public money is never recovered from them!!
